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- 1 SIGIA-L: No Categories! -- rank: 1000
- No Categories! I cry I cry To God who created me Not you Angels who frustrated me Let me fly, let me die, Let me come to Him. Not to you Angels on the wing, With your severe faces, And your scholarly grimaces, And your do this and that, And your exasperating pit-pat Of appropriate admonishment. That is not what the Creator meant. In the day of his gusty creation He made this and that And laughed to see them grow fat. Plod on, you Angels say, do better aspire higher And one day you may be like us, or those ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-01-12 00:19:40 EST |
- 2 SIGIA-L: impressions (Re) -- rank: 1000
- >Does anyone have any supporting evidence for the proposition that the >overall impression made by a website is important to business >success? The only measure of success in business is how much profit is being made. Impressions do not matter. The primary goal of any business is to get the product into the hands of as many users as possible, without regard to quality. Worse-is-better. Selah. -- Derek Rogerson
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-01-26 08:28:12 EST |
- 3 SIGIA-L: impressions (Re) -- rank: 1000
- Christopher: You seem to be doing a good job of discussing various tangents on the list which is what one would expect, thank you. However, the initial question made no effort to qualify its query beyond the very broadest of terms. In fact, the use of the qualifier 'overall,' and absence of any other qualifiers (beyond the similarly broad 'business') would suggest a macro-analysis expectation. In the interest of economy-of-presentation on a somewhat crowded list, I returned a similar treatment. Nevertheless, I have noticed, it is very much like the information architect to proceed based on what they assume the user ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-01-27 21:14:35 EST |
- 4 SIGIA-L: Is Rome burning? Unreasonable expectations and the fate of IA as independent... (Re) -- rank: 1000
- Ah, the joys and exactitude of categories! They are sooo useful! >I was talking to the HR group in a quite large and well known contracting >house yesterday about someone we're hiring through them. I had given them a >job description that included terms like content strategy, taxonomy, and >information architecture. They interpreted this as a "writer" and were >going to put the person in the "administrative" category. I said no, these >are well-understood terms in the web development world, they are >"development" roles and belong (roughly!) in the same category as you'd put >a person who was doing requirements analysis, ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-01-31 21:31:03 EST |
- 5 SIGIA-L: intelligent, pigheaded, outrageous and intriguing (Re) -- rank: 1000
- >Consider this: "User-centric, contextually-informed approaches to planning, >designing and implementing information systems." Don't we all reside under >that umbrella somewhere? I think the recently deceased Pierre Bourdieu (R.I.P., Pierre), in explaining his notion of 'habitus,' comes closest to what my ideal information architecture would be: "...systems of durable, transposable dispositions, structured structures predisposed to function as structuring structures, that is as principles of the generation and structuring of practices and representations which can be objectively "regulated" and "regular" without in any way being the product of obedience rules, objectively adapted to their goals without presupposing a conscious aiming at ends or ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-02-01 22:07:04 EST |
- 6 SIGIA-L: Insight moves sight to the site -- rank: 1000
- >I can't make any sense of what this quote from Pierre is talking >about. >Derek, care to place in your own words what you believe Pierre is saying >that you feel applies to IA? Thank you, Tim. In a few words: "No orchestrating, Lou." In a few other words: First, if the reader of the Bourdieu quote is to 'get' anything from it, it is that an information architecture *must* have no point -- so you are right to have (make) no sense or meaning. A "structuring structure" has no mandate to try and 'prove' or 'mean' anything. It has an ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-02-03 01:21:43 EST |
- 7 philosophy of IA (was Re: SIGIA-L: intelligent, pigheaded, outrageous and intriguing (Re) -- rank: 1000
- >One of the most >powerful aspects of the concept of the habitus is that is both >subjectively constructed and objectively put into practice, helping >social scientists to bridge the gap That's great, David. We/I could expand the definition of 'an objective' to: An Objective: (optics) -- The lens bringing the rays from an object to a focus. That which is aimed at. Inextricably the direction of historic and contemporary particulars.
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-02-04 00:39:43 EST |
- 8 SIGIA-L: Insight moves sight to the site (Re) -- rank: 1000
- >It's hard for me to think of a better example of this than >"collaborative filtering" i.e. I actually am interested in >the other books that people who've looked this particular >book are, (a correlative social order if ever I saw one) >certainly not all the time, but often enough for me to >appreciate Amazon's "objective" use of "correlative social >orders, practices and symbolic forms." Collaborative filtering is just one part of the Amazon engine. Overall, Amazon's info. architecture is an exploitation of the user's disposition as an opportunity to market their products. For instance, they know you showed interest in X ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-02-04 12:33:33 EST |
- 9 SIGIA-L: Insight moves sight to the site (Re) -- rank: 1000
- ___________________________________ >>Derek Rogerson wrote: >> >>Napster's information architecture was recalcitrant to proper >>description, ambiguous, highly wrought, apparently disjointed, >>and even vacant (which is to say, seemingly "about" nothing >>at all -- meaningless). ___________________________________ Ziya Oz (aka. bill Gates) wrote: >(I won't address the other parts of your argument, as the issue of >'meaning' was discussed here at some length a few months ago.) That's ok. However, you should not expect me to go searching through the archives-without-a-search-engine to try and locate your legacy comments. Feel free to state your views. >I don't find much ambiguity >in Napster. From a technical standpoint, ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-02-06 09:22:30 EST |
- 10 SIGIA-L: No Metadata -- rank: 1000
- James Weinheimer wrote: >The *only* question the cataloger can ask is: where >are the other items with the same subjects, names, >titles, etc., and I have to make sure that my record >clusters with these. Somebody tell me why there is no NOT metadata. This would make metadata concepts much more useful. (Probably the same puny corporate reasons -- wanting to be everything to everybody). Cause as often is the case when examining objects, you will experience true perception by way of what it is not. For instance, when you see an apple you probably think "That's not an orange," "That's ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-02-08 02:07:21 EST |
- 11 SIGIA-L: No Metadata (Re) -- rank: 1000
- I wrote: >Somebody tell me why there is no NOT metadata. This would >make metadata concepts much more useful. Dudes. People. Brethren. Listen. I appreciate the remedial lesson in metadata. Thank you. But I know what metadata is already. I want to know *why* IAs are not using NOT logic with metadata concepts. Why isn't this implemented? Maybe IAs don't understand what metadata is, and how to use it? Jonathan Broad wrote: >This should be addressed in the interface I understand what you are saying here. But I don't believe this is correct. Besides, the metadata is the interface (at bare ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-02-08 23:48:47 EST |
- 12 SIGIA-L: No Metadata (Re) -- rank: 1000
- Jonathan Broad wrote: >I'm simply trying to recognize the difference between "information >organizing behavior" and "information seeking behavior". They >are obviously related. Dude. The user doesn't give a crap how something is organized, they just want what they want, and to be left alone. Successful organization satisfies what is sought. Therefore, all information is best 'organized' in the order the user wants it. Unfortunately, today's user must be satisfied with how the IA or organizing-dude wants it. Even more unfortunate, IAs don't give a crap about the user. They only have hearts for categories, standards, coercion, marching in a straight line, ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-02-10 04:59:15 EST |
- 13 SIGIA-L: No Metadata (Re) -- rank: 1000
- Eric Scheid replied to: >>Therefore, all information is best 'organized' in the order the user >>wants it. > > >Not the whole story though ... the user also wants the information to be >complete and even up to date. They also don't want to find stuff which >is just a local variation of content which can be found elsewhere. If the >organizational structure doesn't facilitate these aspects then it >ultimately fails the user ... it's just not obvious on the surface level. > >e. > >______________________________________________________ >eric_at_ironclad.net.au i r o n c l a d n e t w o r ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-02-10 10:04:56 EST |
- 14 SIGIA-L: No Metadata (Re) -- rank: 1000
- Various list members said: [ undisclosed concerns ] Ok. My apologies if I got little bored, and went rowdy on a Saturday night. I will endeavor to take your 'sensitivity to words' into greater account in future exchanges. However, we're not going to get anywhere not being candid, censoring ourselves or our concerns. Derek Rogerson http://derekrogerson.com "Sometimes it takes a rough human to make a tender chicken."
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-02-10 22:40:40 EST |
- 15 SIGIA-L: Experience Jester as Power Check -- rank: 1000
- "The Jester *enables coping* with the rapid change of pace of today's organizations. He delights by breaking rules and highlighting the absurdities in rules and regulations that can't keep pace." -- Team Management Systems Online, Chris Patty, "The Court Jester as a Metaphor for Learning and Change" http://www.tms.com.au/tms12-1d.html "The detached stance of the jester allows them to take the side of the people [chance] in order to curb the excesses of the system [design] -- without ever trying to overthrow it -- their purpose is not to replace one system with another, but to free us from the fetters of all ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-02-23 06:40:47 EST |
- 16 SIGIA-L: Style Issues [Web] (Re) -- rank: 1000
- Tim Salam typed: >I'm confused [re: Web] Simply: The "Web" and associated particular "Web pages" and "Web sites" are considered *proper* places. All proper nouns are capitalized by convention.
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-02-28 23:18:36 EST |
- 17 SIGIA-L: Style Issues [Web] (Re) -- rank: 1000
- Dan Saffer typed: >I had to write the editorial style guide for my last employer. I >chose "web site": two words lower case. "Web" is an adjective >describing "site." Arguably, "website" has become its own noun. > >But my feeling is that neither "web" nor "internet" should be >capitalized. Both describe a *medium* of communication, not a >specific (proper) thing. You can't point to "The Internet" any >more than you can point to "Radio" or "Television." The only >reason they are capitalized is because they were new... Well, I feel pretty confident the capitalization is there for proper noun reasons. It ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-03-01 19:06:40 EST |
- 18 SIGIA-L: Style Issues [Web] (Re) -- rank: 1000
- Well, it certainly depends on indefinite or definite context (a, the). "You say 'web' page, I say HTML document." "You say 'Web' page, I say a page on the Web." Derek Rogerson http://derekrogerson.com
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-03-02 00:30:30 EST |
- 19 SIGIA-L: Functional Fashion (Re) -- rank: 1000
- http://www.vh1.co.uk/ >Try clicking on Now Showing or Search. Dynamic data >for something like 350,000 pages into flash. I love how pressing the 'Enter' key *erases* your search query on this site. Now that's good design! Basically, I find this site to be 'Crap-o-la'. Your basic 'flash' over 'substance' business play. But, you tell me if teens really want to download all this just to receive some non-dynamic 'best of...' lists -- I mean the entire site content is non-dynamic plain text!!! Why flash???. I *know* teens would prefer plain text lists here, which serves the same function, and will work with ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-03-08 20:36:53 EST |
- 20 SIGIA-L: Functional Fashion (Re) -- rank: 1000
- >The target market for VH1 is actually aged 25-35. They play the last 20 >years of popular music. It's a much different format than MTV. No shit. I was even thinking sugar-high pre-teens would be the only ones to 'get off' on all the delayed-reaction click-sounds and move-this-around architecture. Shows you how much I follow popular music. Nevertheless, I don't see the advantage of the movable interface since *you must* move new windows, as they open on top of each other making the entire experience too *labour-intensive* for my taste. And again, it's all basically plain-text content, so why trap it ...
| Poster's Name: | Derek Rogerson |
| Poster's Email: | derek_at_derekrogerson.com |
| Message Date: | 2002-03-09 20:12:11 EST |
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